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    Apologies if this has been posted before but time is of the essence.

    I've got my 09 SMR wheels in for rebuilding and they started the front today. Cool. Then it struck me, rather than getting the rear just rebuilt, why not fit a larger rim as the 150 tyre choices are limited a bit. I'm thinking a 5" rim is the way to go, which will give me options to fit a 160 section rear.

    Is anyone running a 5" rear rim with a 160 tyre and what, if any clearances issues did you have or is it a no brainer, just do it?

    Thanks in advance.

    BTW I'm using the stock hubs, powder coated black, polished SS spokes, keeping the original look(ish).
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    The SMR will fit up to a 5.5" rim and a 170 tire without clearance issues.
    A 160 on a 5" rim will fit just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MXRider View Post
    The SMR will fit up to a 5.5" rim and a 170 tire without clearance issues.
    A 160 on a 5" rim will fit just fine.
    Top man, thanks. I'll go for the 5" and 160. I've got to call them in the morning, it's nearly midnight here and was hoping for a fast answer. Appreciated
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    You can probably run a 160 on the stock rim depending on what tire it is. My dealer said they've fit 160's.

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    You have the most tire selection with the 5" also. And plenty of room in the swinger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tee-Dub View Post
    You can probably run a 160 on the stock rim depending on what tire it is. My dealer said they've fit 160's.
    While it will fit, the profile will be wrong and you will end up with less of a contact patch than the 150 on a 4.25" rim.

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    Thanks guys. Called them this am and they're going to lace the OE hub to a 5" rim. I know it would have been easier to just buy a pair of aftermarket wheels but I like the look of the stock hub. Nice and solid looking and stamped with an 'H' so wanted to keep them . And yep, better tyre choices now.

    Gutzy, did you get your PCV sorted? - re the CH tech post.
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    Yes it's all good. I'm just glad that's all it was. If you didn't tell me where that little bugger was, I'd still be pacing at night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moto66 View Post
    Thanks guys. Called them this am and they're going to lace the OE hub to a 5" rim. I know it would have been easier to just buy a pair of aftermarket wheels but I like the look of the stock hub. Nice and solid looking and stamped with an 'H' so wanted to keep them . And yep, better tyre choices now.

    Gutzy, did you get your PCV sorted? - re the CH tech post.
    I'm interested in this. Who did the work and what did it cost using your OEM hub?

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    Spokes, rim and labor for lacing is usually in the $350-$400 range per wheel.

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    Sorry, haven't quite worked out the multiple quote reply yet..?

    Gutzy, no problem, glad you got it sorted!

    Tee dub, place is not too near me so a post them off job and deal over phone which is not my first choice but they seem good so far

    http://www.central-wheel.co.uk/smpro...supermoto.html

    MXrider, was going to be £370.00 all in incl VAT and return shipping for black PC hubs, black SS Elektron coated spokes and black alloy nipples. They found though that the black nipples didn't fit in the rim holes - edit - so.... I've gone for polished SS spokes, nickel plated brass nips, PC'd black hubs, and a 5" rear rim, to be anodised black to match the OE front. The whole deal is going to be around £500.00 now, about £150.00 cheaper than a wheelset but totally personalised. I've finally got a Photobucket account so I'll put some pics up here in a week or two when they're done.
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    That should look pretty sick my friend. You will be amazed how much better a 5'' is.
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    I recently went from the standard 4.25" rear to a Talon/Excel 5" rear, I can tell you now that certain 160 tyres will foul the chain I originally bought a 160 dunlop Qualifier, this was huge (closer to 170mm across widest part)and as a result there was no way it would fit without rubbing then chain quite badly.
    In the end I went for a Goldspeed pre cut slick, which is a narrow 160, and that fitted with no issues at all.
    Seeing as though you are having your wheels built, you might want to consider the offset, and have the rim moved away from the sprocket a few mm further than standard just to avoid any issues

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    I run a non DID ERT2 non O ring chain which is thinner than the original one. It gives a lot more room to work with.

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    Gutzy, cheers man! I thought the handling was real good with the 4.25" so hoping the 5" will improve things even more as I grow into the bike.

    SMRDave, good thought re the offset. I've seen a post somewhere that lists tyre sizes and physical dimensions on rims. Can I find it.. I'll ask the wheel shop re the offset. I looked at Maxxis, they're cheaper here than most of the 'big brands' and some good grippy rubber. Are you running them for street use?

    MXrider, yes, ditched the OE chain, it got salty and turned to shit.. am running a DID non O ringer with split-link so got a bit more clearance there
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    Doubt you'll need to offset the wheel.. 160 bridgestone slick fits easily with a 5" rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nocontrol View Post
    Doubt you'll need to offset the wheel.. 160 bridgestone slick fits easily with a 5" rear.
    Thanks for input. I've measured the swingarm and a dead 160 section looks like it'll fit ok. Anything bigger though will def have clearance issues.
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    DONT FORGET ABOUT YOUR EXHAUST!!!! If you offset the wheel, look at where the exhaust will be relative to the new tire width. You dont want to constantly hit your exhaust with the tire, although a little bit of rub wont hurt..

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.R. View Post
    DONT FORGET ABOUT YOUR EXHAUST!!!! If you offset the wheel, look at where the exhaust will be relative to the new tire width. You dont want to constantly hit your exhaust with the tire, although a little bit of rub wont hurt..
    Thanks. I've been thinking about this tonight and I'm going to get the wheel back, centred, not offset, then fit it in the swingarm, run the chain and do some real good measurements. Then check out tyre sizes at my local tyre shop. My mate knows a guy who rebuilds wheels for classic bikes for a living so if any offset is needed, I'll go there. Seems there's a bit of interest in this, the 5" rim query, and also fitting to the OE hub. I'll take some pics when the wheels back with ye olde measuring device for you guys. Appreciating all the input
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    Quote Originally Posted by moto66 View Post
    Gutzy, cheers man! I thought the handling was real good with the 4.25" so hoping the 5" will improve things even more as I grow into the bike.

    SMRDave, good thought re the offset. I've seen a post somewhere that lists tyre sizes and physical dimensions on rims. Can I find it.. I'll ask the wheel shop re the offset. I looked at Maxxis, they're cheaper here than most of the 'big brands' and some good grippy rubber. Are you running them for street use?

    MXrider, yes, ditched the OE chain, it got salty and turned to shit.. am running a DID non O ringer with split-link so got a bit more clearance there
    I run Maxxis Goldspeed grooved slicks on the street and have been very impressed
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigs449 View Post
    I run Maxxis Goldspeed grooved slicks on the street and have been very impressed
    Plod are a bit hot here with bikes. I'd love to run them but I don't think - well if they even twigged it - that cut slicks would go down too well. My Dunlop rear chewed up at 800 miles so I was thinking a Maxxis or Avon Pro-Extreme SM front and a supersports rear, Pilot Power maybe or even a 2CT for wear/value.
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    JR is right about the exhaust. I have the dual set up and mine was rubbing on the throttle side pipe. I just shifted the offset over the other day, no big deal at all.

    I have never wasted a gold speed tire, but I have heard good things about them. Best tire for track/street use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutzy View Post
    JR is right about the exhaust. I have the dual set up and mine was rubbing on the throttle side pipe. I just shifted the offset over the other day, no big deal at all.

    I have never wasted a gold speed tire, but I have heard good things about them. Best tire for track/street use.
    Cheers. Is one of the reasons for looking at the 5" set up. They seem to have good write ups and are def a few pounds cheaper than your big four street rubber.
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    Goldspeed pre cut slicks are road legal in GB, so I would imagine they are over the pond too. All their tyres are a narrow 160 which is an added bonus. On the road I am running the cut slick on the rear and an Avon Pro Extreme rain on the front
    This is the clearance on my 510 with the 160 fitted (as you can see I also drilled/tapped the swinger and fitted a couple of rollers to stop tyre rub)


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    Nice pic Dave, looks like you're running an O ring too and still have clearance. Saw your post before re the rollers and great idea. AAA racing show a guide but it looks like it's part of the chain guide assembly:

    http://www.aaa-racing.com/pages.php?pageid=19

    How do you find the Avon/Goldspeed combo? I'm going to be 90% street but like the idea of small blocks for some odd green lanes/tracks. And the pre-cuts are road legal? Result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moto66 View Post
    Nice pic Dave, looks like you're running an O ring too and still have clearance. Saw your post before re the rollers and great idea. AAA racing show a guide but it looks like it's part of the chain guide assembly:

    http://www.aaa-racing.com/pages.php?pageid=19

    How do you find the Avon/Goldspeed combo? I'm going to be 90% street but like the idea of small blocks for some odd green lanes/tracks. And the pre-cuts are road legal? Result.
    To be fair, since fitting the rear I have not had a front brake on the bike, so as yet have not had the opportunity to test the front/rear combo. However I have had the front fitted for a short while and it seemed fine in combination with the OE 4.25" rear and Dunlop D253
    All my riding is on the road, and I have opted for this combo purely because it allows a really soft front which warms up quickly, and yet still wears at a reasonable rate
    I have found over the last couple of years that these bikes are quite sensitive to tyres, with certain ones causing the bike to become unstable at slightly higher speeds, so hopefully this will not be the case with the new rear (did have a Goldspeed Street Sport Ultra set fitted with OE 4.25" rear, and it was bloody scary at anything above 65mph!)

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    Err.. I've read that elsewhere about the Goldspeed Ultras at speed.

    Are you running the forks high up in the yokes? I first ran mine one groove above down but dropped them to be flush with the top yoke and found the handling light but stable at anything up to 90+. That was on the shagged Dunlops too.

    I'm hoping the 5" rim/160 will give some of the sportbike feel/contact at the rear. Odd coming from sportsbikes, def takes some time to gel but loving it through and through.

    I've read nothing but good stuff re the Avon Extremes and they give better grip for firetrails etc - (if you can find any). I'm thinking I'll go down the same route as you and give the pre-cut Goldspeed rear a look
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    In relation to the forks, I am running them one notch/line down, and with the OE tyres had absolutely no problems with stability up to max speed.
    The Ultra's really were scary, I experimented with different fork heights/tyre pressures, yet nothing solved or even lessened the problem. I tried the OE front in combination with the Ultra rear, and although this was quite a bit better, it was still a bit unnerving at higher speeds, which would indicate it was the front that was the main issue.
    When I had the Ultra rear fitted it was on the original 4.25" rim, which may have pinched the profile somewhat(although I believe that they are suited to 4.5" rims which isn't far out) I am hoping that with the near 5" rear I have fitted now, that this is more suitable to the 160 profile of the slick as well. I'll soon find out as my new Brembo radial turned up today, so I now have a front brake

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    managed to have a blast today with the new setup bike is fine up to about 75, after that the dreaded speed wobble which cursed me with the Ultra's has returned..... I guess I should have expected it really seeing as though the pre cut slick is of a very similar makeup etc as the Ultra.
    I am going to play around with the rear pressure and maybe drop the forks a little further in the triples (I am running second line on forks sticking out of the top) to see if that will help. It is not the end of the world I guess, as these things are the most fun below those kinds of speed anyway, so rather than take it off and replace it I am going take advantage of the grip it offers, and keep the bike below the danger mark
    To be honest once warm the tyre is so soft and sticky I can't see it lasting long anyway.

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    Err again...., doesn't paint a confidence inspiring picture

    Appreciate your input Dave, can't beat recommendation. I wonder how you'll find the handling with the forks dropped some more? I'm running flush with the top yoke and turns in as fast as I need for street use and so far very speed stable. Seems though, that if you never had those issues with the OE tyres then the change to the Goldspeeds is the issue. Maybe that sort of high speed pproblem is commonplace but I doubt it. I've never ran slicks, cut or not so am in uncharted territory here.

    I'm def sold on the SM bike deserves more specific rubber but know I'll get pissed off if I can't run at 70 odd without feeling safe. Maybe a matching pair of Avons is the way to go, but like you wanted the dry road grip of the slick. I'll be interested to know how you get on. Prob another week before I see my wheels..

    Nice one with the front brake! Was a cracking day today eh? Saw about 30 bikes on my travels. The summer begins
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    I'd be more than happy to run a matching set of PXR's, however I think the rear would be chewed up in no time. Another issue is the PXR's size, I am not sure if it would fit without rubbing the chain
    There is a used DRZ400S/M for sale at a local bike shop, it has a 160 Pirelli supercorsa Pro on the rear, so I am going to measure that across its widest point. As long as it's no wider than 160mm then it would fit fine, and would therefore be another option.

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    Sound. Wonder what size the DRZ rim is??

    I was originally thinking the Avon SM front with a road tyre rear. Pilot Powers were my thoughts or even the 2CT compound for some improved wear. The rear's gonna heat up way more than the front and the SM's seem quite harsh on rears compared to my sportsbikes. Possibly as there's no cush too.. So like you say, the balance of wear/grip should be pretty good on a 90% streeted SM bike.

    If I get time tomorrow I might email Michelin, Bridgestone etc and see what outside diameter they give for their 160's on a 5" rim.
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    These tires are AMA spec. class (GPZ 250) RACING street (DOT) duel compound med/soft ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moto66 View Post
    Sound. Wonder what size the DRZ rim is??

    I was originally thinking the Avon SM front with a road tyre rear. Pilot Powers were my thoughts or even the 2CT compound for some improved wear. The rear's gonna heat up way more than the front and the SM's seem quite harsh on rears compared to my sportsbikes. Possibly as there's no cush too.. So like you say, the balance of wear/grip should be pretty good on a 90% streeted SM bike.

    If I get time tomorrow I might email Michelin, Bridgestone etc and see what outside diameter they give for their 160's on a 5" rim.
    I will pop around to the shop today and have a closer look, unless they have been replaced I'm pretty sure the standard rim on a DRZ is 4.5".
    I dropped the forks as far down as possible today, this did improve matters a bit, also I found that if you don't fight the head shake and relax your grip on the bars, it seems to subside somewhat, although it is still not gone completely
    Anyhow, I can defo' live with it for the short time the tyre will last. I took the rear to the edge of its tread on both sides today and it sticks to the road like shit to a blanket.
    Let us know what the manufacturers say regarding width on a 5" rim

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    Hi Dave

    Emailed Bridgestone and Michelin yesterday. No response from Bridgestone but got the following from Michelin. Which is cool as I didn't really expect a reply:

    Dear Sir/Madam

    Thank you for your recent e-mail.

    We would advise that unfortunately, we do not have the 160/60 ZR17 69W Pilot Power as a recommended fitment for your motorcycle, sorry.
    However, with reference to the sizing of the 160/60 ZR17 69W Michelin Pilot Power the minimum and maximum size tolerance (section width) can be from 161mm (millimetres) up to 177mm.

    For your motorcycle the Manufacturers OE (Original Equipment) requirements for the rear is a 150/60 ZR17 66W on a 4.25 rim.

    We strongly recommend that you liaise with the Motorcycle manufacturer and seek their help and advice on alternative tyre sizes before you make any changes.

    We have allocated your message the reference number indicated above. If you need to contact us again regarding your message, we would be grateful if you could include the reference number.

    Once again thank you for your interest in Michelin.

    Yours sincerely

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    Which is a pretty cool reply, obv guarding their arses too. Didn't show you the 85 line disclaimer! Did reply, say cheers for info, am putting it on a 5" rim, professionally built etc but I think the idea of dropping in your tyre shop and having a measure up is prob best. If they state that much tolerance in section then it really is a case of measuring before you buy.

    Nice one re your Goldspeed. Def horses for... if you want a super sticky don't expect it to be high speed missile straight. If you're getting a pretty fast turn in I'd try dropping the forks fully and try again. It might just correct any wobble. Well, for as long as that tyre lasts!

    Just a thought, remember trip through France, 120+ on autoroute and chronic wobble/vibes. Found local tyre shop, wheel totally out of balance.
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    That response was written by their legal dept.

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    Fair play at least they bothered to reply. I visited the shop today and for your info; the Pirelli Supercorsa Pro measures 160mm across its widest part, so although it is a few mm wider than the Goldspeed, it will fit

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    Quote Originally Posted by MXRider View Post
    That response was written by their legal dept.
    My thoughts indeed. The disclaimer was awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMRDave View Post
    Fair play at least they bothered to reply. I visited the shop today and for your info; the Pirelli Supercorsa Pro measures 160mm across its widest part, so although it is a few mm wider than the Goldspeed, it will fit
    Big thanks Dave. That's a def on the list then. I measured the swingarm gap/exhaust gap etc and it's all looking good. Just can't wait to get my wheels back and get out there

    Oh yeh, also looking at the chain guard, top of swingarm, the guard kind of acts like a guide, keeping the chain away from the tyre rim. Again, until they're back just playing with ideas and getting impatient now
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    Just got in and found email back from Bridgestone. Again helpful and nice to know they'll give a bit back when asked:

    Dear Keith, Thank you for you mail. Please see below.

    160/60 ZR17 BT016R (69W) TL 164mm

    160/60 ZR17 BT003R (69W) TL RS 164mm

    160/60 R17 BT090R 69H TL PRO 166mm

    Kind Regards, Gary Hartshorne
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    Should have wheels back Weds..? so can put rim on axle and see what clearances I've got. Seems the trend is that the actual tyre is more often than not wider than the stated section.
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    Well I got back today and my neighbour had taken in a couple of boxes for me. Yes it was my wheels So I'm going to TRY and post some pics up here. I've done many on CH but am new to Photobucket so let's see if I get it right. Could be amusing..

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    Hope they came out! Will get out there tomorrow and do some measuring. The quality of the work is really high. The new 5" rim is a Morad which feels slightly more solid than the OE one. Spokes are polished SS. Nipples are nickel plated brass. So far so good and the 5" rim looks the dogs
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    They look very nice,who did them for you?

    ..and don't forget to loctite those disc bolts.I learnt that one out the hard way

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    Quote Originally Posted by superjonnyboy View Post
    They look very nice,who did them for you?

    ..and don't forget to loctite those disc bolts.I learnt that one out the hard way
    Hi Jonny. Thanks mate. Got them done by Central Wheels up in the Midlands.

    http://www.central-wheel.co.uk/index.html

    Ha ha yeh got the pink the blue and the red stuff.

    BTW, did you sell your yokes?
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    Update with a few pics if you're thinking of going the same route.. I've got around 8mm clearance from the wheel edge to the inner edge of the chain. I'm thinking a Goldspeed pre-cut slick for the rear as don't tend to ride in the rain through choice and SMRDave is running one with clearance. It will be tight though and after fitment, may have to get the wheel offset by a few mm.







    I found the chain guide was getting wrecked as the mounts on the bottom of the swingarm were welded on wonky..



    So opted for a TM Designworks job after aligning the supports on the swinger and it lines up a treat..





    Next to order some tyres
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    Hello mate, nice wheels I bought a new Talon/Excel from the same company to be fair, got a good deal as they are a sister company of my local bike shop which I use alot.
    Don't worry about the clearance if you go with the cut slick, just measured the clearance from chain to wheel and it is exactly the same as yours mate. The Goldspeed does not stick out beyong the rim wore than a few mm.
    After dropping my forks to level with clamps, the death wobble seems to be better and does not get uncomfortable until 85+, so I dropped my front sprocket back to a 14 from the 15 thus restricting the topend and make the most of the acceleration

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    Looking good

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMRDave View Post
    Hello mate, nice wheels I bought a new Talon/Excel from the same company to be fair, got a good deal as they are a sister company of my local bike shop which I use alot.
    Don't worry about the clearance if you go with the cut slick, just measured the clearance from chain to wheel and it is exactly the same as yours mate. The Goldspeed does not stick out beyong the rim wore than a few mm.
    After dropping my forks to level with clamps, the death wobble seems to be better and does not get uncomfortable until 85+, so I dropped my front sprocket back to a 14 from the 15 thus restricting the topend and make the most of the acceleration
    Thanks! Yeh I'd recommend them, is a good job and they called me several times throughout just to check things etc. Called AAA Racing and Tony up there's pretty chatty helpful guy, they import the Goldspeeds so am going that route, same as yours. You're running the Avon Pro front yep? Was thinking the Goldspeed Ultra front, the pre cut slick is advertised as a 120/80/17 although Tony said it's more like a 70. Just don't need any 'wobbles'

    Good stuff with the handling Dave. I found the bike seemed to handle the best with the forks flush. Also I'm tallish 6' 1" and didn't like the feeling of having the bike pitched too far low/forward leaning over the front end. Learning curve last year, messing around with settings, esp the rear shock. Stop, screwdriver out, ride, stop..... What cold pressures you running f&r?

    PS I'm running 15/43. 44 be ideal for me I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MXRider View Post
    Looking good
    Thanks, she's getting there slow but sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by moto66 View Post
    Thanks! Yeh I'd recommend them, is a good job and they called me several times throughout just to check things etc. Called AAA Racing and Tony up there's pretty chatty helpful guy, they import the Goldspeeds so am going that route, same as yours. You're running the Avon Pro front yep? Was thinking the Goldspeed Ultra front, the pre cut slick is advertised as a 120/80/17 although Tony said it's more like a 70. Just don't need any 'wobbles'

    Good stuff with the handling Dave. I found the bike seemed to handle the best with the forks flush. Also I'm tallish 6' 1" and didn't like the feeling of having the bike pitched too far low/forward leaning over the front end. Learning curve last year, messing around with settings, esp the rear shock. Stop, screwdriver out, ride, stop..... What cold pressures you running f&r?

    PS I'm running 15/43. 44 be ideal for me I think.
    Mate don't do an Ultra front, bloody terrifying, I can defo' recommend the Avon PXR front, steady as a rock and sticky as shit
    I think that even though the cut slick on the rear is not as stable as some more 'normal' tyres, the amount of sheer grip it offers makes up for it. And after all, again these bikes are best going around bends at speeds lower than the ones that cause a problem.
    F&R around 24psi

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