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    I've noticed a lot of repeat questions in the original "best street-tard" thread, and also that a lot of people don't want to read through all 47 pages. I've gone through all the posts in the previously mention thread, and I think I've summed it up fairly well. I've anyone has any more info to ad, go ahead, but please don't fill it up with "which is better, drz vs. husky 510".

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    KTM LC4 640, 3000 mile oil changes. Great for commuting. They require (relatively) little maintenance, and are not "pure race motors" at all.

    KTM 625, excellent bike, excellent components, excellent handling. There is no reliability drawback over anything else, it's fast and fun. The 625SMC is arguably one of the best street-tards. KTM does all the hard work for you and sells them street legal from the factory. Their only drawback is that they vibrate. Bad. Some people think it shakes too much for street riding.

    MZ Baghira, very comfy. "I've put 12,000 miles on it with only oil changes every 2K, and 1 valve adjust. I love the bike, it fits my needs, and if I had to do it again, I would get it again. That said, it is heavy, but I feel that weight is not that big a deal on a street bike." Weight on these bikes is very easy to drop, to a point. For example, the stock muffler/cat is about 15 lbs. "The power of the motor is really good stock, I dropped 1 tooth on the countershaft, still goes 70 comfy on the hwy, but lofts the front in 2nd with ease now."

    Husky 610, extremely reliable as a daily commuter. "I recommend buying the 610 if you plan on riding alot on the road. This is my commuting vehicle. I have some nice tight twisty farm roads on the way to work - almost no traffic (25 miles with 3 stop lights total). This is perfect for me, I can't imagine anything better."

    XR650R, big, fast, powerful(ish), reliable, little maintenance, etc. While certainly heavier than more specialised machines, it is hard to beat for heavy use, day in day out, commuting, track days, trail riding, 500 mile days, etc. Dependable, all kinds of parts and info available. They are excellent bikes, very stable at speed and have all the potential you want to make out of them. "I ride a XR650R, and typically ride with sport bikes. We ride between 250 and 450 miles in a day, on twisty mountain roads. I have no wind protection, and stock seat foam. I have a range of 150 miles on a 4gal tank with 15/40 gearing, and a top speed of 119. I've done 1900 miles in a span of 9 days, two of them over 400 miles. Put a little over 7K on the supermoto last year, so I guess it's the riders butt and back that regulates how far you can ride a supermoto!" It's also been proven to do great off-road. The XR650R is a good choice, if you're kick start skills are up to par.

    XR650L, Bombproof. "The XR650L is probably the most comfy bike you can ride in the city." Big seat, long suspension. "It's not too fun on the highway, though. I stick mainly to B roads." Heavy, old technology, air cooled dirt bike w/ sloppy suspension and low HP. Very dependable. "A good bike, smooth motor(for a thumper), bulletproof, and I can take it on pretty long rides, maintenance intervals are just like any other street bike and parts availability isn't a problem." There is pretty much no difference (performance wise) between an XR650L and DRZ400SM. The XR's an ancient design that is well outdated and its right on track with a more modern 400.

    XR400, small, light, reliable. Not incredible power, but a fun bike.

    DR650, "I was riding my DR650 142 miles round trip a day for a year, all year. 80/90mph most of the way. I got no complaints with the DR." "Dependable as hell and easy to maintain. Also handles well." "My DR650 is my 21st bike I've owned! I'm getting older so I wanted a good reliable bike to chase my son around the yard on his 50 and a fun way to and from work. No, I dont think I could race it, but these bikes are a blast on the street!! Reliable,pulls great wheelies and great looks!"

    DRZ400SM, I would say that a DRZSM would be a perfect bike for a new rider. "Cruises comfortably at 75-80 mph and will even cruise at 90 mph if I want to put up with the windblast." As you probably know the drz motor is bullet proof and needs very little maintenance. Enough power to have a ton of fun, but not too much. However, it does have it's drawbacks. "The DRZ is a great little bike, but it's slow, it's heavy, it needs more HP and another gear." "If you like riding the streets carving the corners and lifting the front wheel on every exit you'll want the hit of the real SM bikes." If you're a modder, then the DRZ will do you well, but you'll need to spend some time and $'s to do so. A stock DRZ-E is about the same power as a DR650, the DRZ-SM has less because of different cams, base gasket and CV carb. You can easily mod it from there to have a lot more go than a DR650 can, but it will take some time and effort of course. If you don't like to do maintenance, and just want to plow around on the street, the DRZ is the right bike for you. It's a great everyday bike, and for blasting around town. So you have to ask yourself, and answer honestly, "what am I going to use this bike for?

    KLR650, excellent mileage munchers, but too heavy and soft to make a supermoto. Forget the KLR. Great bike but not motard material. Just too large and heavy.

    KTM 950SM, won't mind long distances or hooliganism, if you can afford it!
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    TRACK:

    Vertimati, Not really ideal for a street-tard just because of maintenance and reliability.

    VOR, Some 02 530 E-Start VORs had bad crank bearings. Didn't seem to be a problem with the 03 bikes. Otherwise, VORs are good bikes with engines that make good power. They are high maintenance, though.

    TM, for enthusiasts with a lot of money and a lot of patience. It may be street legal, but it's a race bike. Not recomended for street.

    CRF, Again, race bike. Maintenance intensive, simply not designed for the street.

    YZF, Just buy a WR.

    KTM 450, Race bike. Not for the meek. Where as the DRZ is fun, this is insane. Add 20 hp to the DRZ and drop about 20-30 lbs in weight. It's not playing around. Blasting around town is good, but it takes a much more aggressive approach and is more difficult to ride slowly (It will hit 50 mph in 1st gear). Wheelies, stoppies are jokes for this. Maintenance - you'd better enjoy it.

    Aprillia SXV, a ton of fun, but an easy way to get you a bunch of tickets and maybe thrown in jail....and a fast way to the poor house in repair and maintenance. The Aprilia SXV's are sweet bikes but maintenance and funding intensive.

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    Husaberg, "which category does a big fast as crap street legal tard with unproven reliabilty go? i'm thinking the "both" category, though maybe just the race category." shares a lot of tech with KTMs.

    Husky 450/510, great competitive track bikes that come with sm suspension, wheels, e-start, brakes, and a plate. I can't think of a better track/occasional street bike. Huskys are cool, but dealerships are few and far between, and they are mildly maintenance intensive, but not bank account killers.

    WR400/426/450, the WR's are great bikes. if you want less maintenance go with a DRZ400. Those things just don't die. I think the WR makes a pretty good tard. Its pretty much got the same power as the YZF and will smoke the DRZ (until your stuck rebuilding your WR and the DRZ goes flying by your garage). The WR isn't too maintenance intensive, but requires more frequent oil changes than a DRZ. The 450s have the magic button, but for the 400/426 you'd better be ready to kick. a great bike for street and track supermoto.
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    Nicely put together. All you need now are numerical ratings and you'll have the Zagat guide for Supermoto's.

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    Man are you long winded!!!!!! Thanks very informative....

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    Based on considerable experience - that's a pretty darned good overview! Maybe a bit long-winded? Nah - a good compilation, thinks I.

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    Nice job.
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    Thanks for the !
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    Way TMI on the DRZ...otherwise not a bad first draft
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    Great Job Chuck! Keep it up, this kind of reading material makes my day.

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    I think this bike works well at a street bike too. as long as you have another bike to ride when it is in the shop. Iwould have to say it is the most fun to ride bike I have ever owned!
    "Aprillia SXV, a ton of fun, but an easy way to get you a bunch of tickets and maybe thrown in jail....and a fast way to the poor house in repair and maintenance. The Aprilia SXV's are sweet bikes but maintenance and funding intensive."

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    Thanks for compiling all of that. I couldn't stomach reading the entire first thread and it's a question I've often pondered.

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    I say good job, thanks!

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    Nice summary.

    Thinking of trading my GSXR 1000 for a street tard. How bad does the 625 shake? I know you said it was bad, but does it change the reliability?
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    Any chance we can get someone that knows the past model history to put together a street legal Supermoto list for those of us that want to buy a used bike? KTM, for instance, confuses me as to what was street legal and when and what model it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinDav
    Any chance we can get someone that knows the past model history to put together a street legal Supermoto list for those of us that want to buy a used bike? KTM, for instance, confuses me as to what was street legal and when and what model it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blome
    The older KTM's are listed. The new 690SM is not.
    Yes, yes... please list. The BMW XMoto is not up here yet either.

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    Well, I would need some first hand review of each bike.
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    can we add hp numbers so folks can see the big difference between a DRZ (35hp) and the Husky 510 (60hp) ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stan23
    can we add hp numbers so folks can see the big difference between a DRZ (35hp) and the Husky 510 (60hp) ?
    Yes that would be great

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    I'll work on a list w/ factory weight, hp, and torque specs.
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    all i know is i love my drz

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    Quote Originally Posted by stan23
    can we add hp numbers so folks can see the big difference between a DRZ (35hp) and the Husky 510 (60hp) ?
    Is/was the 510 street legal, though?

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    Yup, 50 state street legal......
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    Good write up...My DRZ makes me smile, everytime I ride it,I get depressed when I get close to the house after riding it, I have ridden a few of the biiger power bikes, they are great! and the 35 HP bit, thats at the wheel, the Husky is 60hp at the crank!You dont need power to have fun, or go fast....
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    What about the 450X? Too much to maintain?

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    I am just getting going in this sport and ended up with a great deal on a very very low mile 2006 560smr. I was hesistant at first, it has been made street legal and the conversion was done first class with 95% KTM parts. I was concerned because of the up keep horror stories. I have been checking valves and all internal functions and have been totally trouble free...maybe the worst is yet to come but as of now...This full race version, just a +12 flywheel weight, has been amazing, wont get out run or out handled, just gotta learn to ride it now haha..

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    It's good, but a separate entry for DRZ400 E/K models would be nice. You have separate entries for XR650 R and L, which is good.
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    Well, the XR650L and XR650R are 100% unrelated, but the DRZ's are all built on the same platform. That's why I just had SM. Thanks for the input though...
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    I had a XR650R for almost 4 years and rode it almost every day. When i sold it, it had 24,000 miles on the clock. That was over 1 year ago and it's still ranning.
    I changed the oil and checked the valves every month. I only major parts i had to replace was the clutch and the carb...If you deal with a kick start only bike, the 650R is a very reliable bike...

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    Nice listing of what's out there in street tards, But, If you live in Calif. the list shrinks really fast. And, if you want something under 300 lbs, then its not much of a list at all. I have a Drz sm and for the last 2 years it's been wait and see re: the 2007 and now the 2008 models from the different manufacturers. And yet, still nothing new out there for us. Maybe 2009?? I'm not looking for a replacement for the SM, I'd like an additional bike. I'm hoping for a lighter, higher performance bike at a dealer near me. And of course, something I can plate.

    The only from the factory SMs that I can see for Californians under 300 lbs are the DRZ and the Husky 450 or 510. (I already did the 510 and didn't like the close ratio trans for street use) And,the only make it yourself SM seems to be the KTM 450 or 530.

    Not much of a list at all.

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    Great info that's really helpful to someone looking to get their first Tard ( like me)
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    exactly what makes this site great ! Is members who take the time to compile all that info to be helpful to others.... Thank You !
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    buy 2 or more. we should all have choices

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    Great list but I seriously could use year of manufacture.

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    Good job even if I think you went a bit hard on the Husaberg since the 04 and up are way better then what you described.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-S View Post
    I think you went a bit hard on the Husaberg since the 04 and up are way better then what you described.
    Yes, you're right. I took the Berg info straight out of the "Best Street 'Tard" thread, and that was a bit outdated. Modern Husabergs really are as reliable as any other race supermoto, keep up with the maintenance and you're good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parkinglotracer92 View Post
    Well, the XR650L and XR650R are 100% unrelated, but the DRZ's are all built on the same platform. That's why I just had SM. Thanks for the input though...
    True, but I don't think a lot of people know that it's possible to buy a DRZ that comes stock weighing 250lbs and with 40hp. That's a totally different feel compared to the DRZSM which weighs about 300 and has 32hp. It's a really nice (maybe the only) compromise between a 450 racebike and a big, 300+lb 600+cc "street" SM.

    Now if only they would build a DRZ450E....260lb and 45hp... and a sixth gear... all would be right with the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlHounos View Post
    Now if only they would build a DRZ450E....260lb and 45hp... and a sixth gear... all would be right with the world.
    It's called an RMZ450! JK, that would be pretty nice.
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    Default unbiased opinions do it all SUMO

    I am purchasing a new/used sumo in the next few weeks and debating 3 machines. Husky 510sm, Honda XRR, and KTM 525. The Honda and KTM will be bought used and converted to supermoto. It will be used for off-road and given a pretty hard life in general. Will KNOWLEDGABLE riders give me their thought on the 3. The XRR will have the "power up kit" HRC kit installed and upgraded to the specs of the other 2.

    1.) will the Honda hang with the other 2 in acceleration due to a big increase in weight and handle pretty close with upgraded suspension?

    2.) I understand the Husky and KTM will require more frequent oil changes; are those two equal as far as performance and reliability?

    3.) I know Baja Designs sells passenger pegs for the XR; can you get pegs for the Euros or is the subframe not up to it? (I know they are not designed for it but if I need to give a quick ride to somebody)

    Any info is greatly appreciated. I've read quite a bit but never saw a direct comparison. If somebody can give me a link to such info that would be cool!

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    I wanted to clarify my previous post. In addition to mainly street riding, I will ride a bit off-road. I will not race although I would like to attend a SUMO school to sharpen my skills. It will be a playbike and light commuting. An impotant thing I really want is a bike that will haul ass with tons of torque!
    BTW, if I end up with the Honda I will have about 3 grand for wheels, inverted forks, cosmetics, etc... I know a lot of you will say "save yourself the trouble and get the Husky or KTM" but I have been bitten by the SUMO bug and would enjoy building a custom bike to my spec- but with that said a 2007 510 Husky SM looks like one sweet ride!!!!!!!!!

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    So what do I buy if my priorities are:

    1. Light weight
    2. Low maintenance
    3. High power for full road course track days?

    And:

    D: Does anyone want to trade their SM and cash for my M3?

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    I can't comment on the other two bikes, but the XR takes care of #2 and #3, with some gearing thrown at it, and also fills your desire for a custom set-up. Additionally, the Honda has a better dealer support throughout North America. Doh!!!...I thought the last two posts came from the same person...
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    will a XRR with the HRC kit hang with the newer lighter KTM's, Husky's in a straight line? Can you put passenger pegs on the Euro bikes? I looked and have not found anything; I read somewhere on here that Husky 450 and 510 sm's come with pegs that you have to install yourself. True?

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    That is true, but they're a pain to mount, look stupid, and there still isn't enough room for a second person to sit. The only thing they're good for is wheelies

    BTW, I think the XRR could hang in a straight line, but their weight and steering geometry will make it more difficult when the roads get twisty.
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    thanks for the response, I never thought there was room for a passenger with that small seat. I am leaning toward to the XRR as I will not be racing although I might go and play on some tracks. I would like the capability of a passenger even though it's not ideal- but you know how girls are; they see a cool bike and want a ride. I have a line on a clean '04 XRR with the HRC kit installed but still has the 21/18 wheels and stock plastic. I would want to install moto wheels/rubber and swap in inverted forks. Does anyone recommend a set of forks over another and reasons why. I see CRF common on the XRR tards- is that the best/ easiest route to go? What about shock upgrades/ replacements. Thanks all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gas_pig70 View Post
    Yes, yes... please list. The BMW XMoto is not up here yet either.
    no one wants that ugly ass thing anyway...

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    I know the CRF450r is pretty much a race bike but I'm seeing more people streeting them, anyone care to elaborate on their experience. How fast are they compared to the KTM 450's and which is better for the street? How fast compared to the SVX? I'm looking into building one, but if they won't fit the bill I need to look elsewhere... Also some CR500 street tard experience would be nice to hear about as well, that probably falls under "what makes the worst street tard, but sick bike". Awesome list though super helpful!!
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    Actually, the CR500 makes a good street 'tard, from what I've heard. Do a search, you'll find a bunch of info. Here's some to get you started...
    http://supermotojunkie.com/showthrea...ighlight=cr500
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    I guess I would just like to know where you rate the 525 exc, and if im wasting my time and money converting it?

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    i'm looking to buy my first tard, i don't have the money for a KTM or Husky. i'm workin with about 4000-4500. I want something that is reliable, powerful and can handle both on and off road duties, 90/10. I've narrowed my choices to the drzsm, dr650 & drz400.
    My main concern is cost of switching back and forth from offroad duties to street terrors. What would cost more, having an xtra dirt set up for an sm or converting a drz/dr to an sm w. inverted forks? i assume converting the drz/dr to street would be more expensive, right?

    on a side note, would anyone like to trade their street tard for my 06 Honda TRX 450R (quad)? I want to be back on a bike and hit the streets!

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