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    Default thats cool

    very helpful, makes me feel better about trading my wr 450

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpin jellybean View Post
    thanks everyone for the info in this siteoperator error fixed and found general info on mpg and all supermotos are getting at least 45 mpg on average some more some less depending on state of mods and rider
    IMHO, if you can swing it, the KTM 690's are the way to go for a 1 cyl street tard. With the whole KTM SM line being pretty much a flop in the US, you should be able to find a used SM or SMR for a decent price, plus the SM/SMR were sold before the Euro bike price jump in '09, so their new prices were about 1-1.5K lower than the current 10.5K for SMCs and Dukes (this will affect current book values).

    I have around 30K on my 690 SMR now...

    Beating the piss out of it most of the time, it gets 50 MPG - accelerating hard, whipping around slowpokes in cars, regularly going 85-90 on the freeway to work, etc. On a long downhill ride, chaperoning my new-rider GF on her GZ250 (i.e. riding very "nicely"), I saw 75 MPG once. No, that's not a typo! This is from a bike that does a low 12 in the quarter mile (based on road tests of the 98% identical Duke) and no more maintenance, or other compromises for that matter, than any other street bike. I've also done 200+ mile rides with only a mildly sore butt that went away with 10 mins off the bike, that SM/dirt style seat is surprisingly comfy - you won't mistake it for a Gold Wing, but for what it is, it works well. Handing and breaking are, as you would expect from a motard, incredible.

    Another surprise benefit, especially if you live in a hot place like I do (Arizona), is this is easily, BY FAR the coolest (as in temperature felt to the rider) bike I've ever ridden. It just does not cook you like other bikes do.

    The worst things about the bike are it's very hard on tires, but I seem to be getting exceptionally good life out of, of all things, Pilot Powers... and the sound, even with Akras, isn't exceptional - the Husky 610 I rode sounded glorious compared to it.

    SMCs are nice too, definitely more hard core supermoto than the SM/SMR - this could be a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it. The SMC emphasizes being a "stick-to-the-formula", 650 class street legal supermoto, while the SM/SMR/Duke emphasize putting the lightness, 1 cyl engine and high-spec suspension of a supermoto into a usable street bike - your preference will most likely be according which of those aspects is more important to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phxrider View Post
    IMHO, if you can swing it, the KTM 690's are the way to go for a 1 cyl street tard. With the whole KTM SM line being pretty much a flop in the US, you should be able to find a used SM or SMR for a decent price, plus the SM/SMR were sold before the Euro bike price jump in '09, so their new prices were about 1-1.5K lower than the current 10.5K for SMCs and Dukes (this will affect current book values).

    I have around 30K on my 690 SMR now...

    Beating the piss out of it most of the time, it gets 50 MPG - accelerating hard, whipping around slowpokes in cars, regularly going 85-90 on the freeway to work, etc. On a long downhill ride, chaperoning my new-rider GF on her GZ250 (i.e. riding very "nicely"), I saw 75 MPG once. No, that's not a typo! This is from a bike that does a low 12 in the quarter mile (based on road tests of the 98% identical Duke) and no more maintenance, or other compromises for that matter, than any other street bike. I've also done 200+ mile rides with only a mildly sore butt that went away with 10 mins off the bike, that SM/dirt style seat is surprisingly comfy - you won't mistake it for a Gold Wing, but for what it is, it works well. Handing and breaking are, as you would expect from a motard, incredible.

    Another surprise benefit, especially if you live in a hot place like I do (Arizona), is this is easily, BY FAR the coolest (as in temperature felt to the rider) bike I've ever ridden. It just does not cook you like other bikes do.

    The worst things about the bike are it's very hard on tires, but I seem to be getting exceptionally good life out of, of all things, Pilot Powers... and the sound, even with Akras, isn't exceptional - the Husky 610 I rode sounded glorious compared to it.

    SMCs are nice too, definitely more hard core supermoto than the SM/SMR - this could be a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it. The SMC emphasizes being a "stick-to-the-formula", 650 class street legal supermoto, while the SM/SMR/Duke emphasize putting the lightness, 1 cyl engine and high-spec suspension of a supermoto into a usable street bike - your preference will most likely be according which of those aspects is more important to you.
    i can't get past the weight of the 690 compared to my berg 570, the 690 is about 90 lbs heavier and that is a ton in the sumo world...but my ass hurt after a 5 hour ride...so i just ordered a wide seat, ride em before you plunk down the cash...rm

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    i can't get past the weight of the 690 compared to my berg 570, the 690 is about 90 lbs heavier and that is a ton in the sumo world...but my ass hurt after a 5 hour ride...so i just ordered a wide seat, ride em before you plunk down the cash...rm
    Yah, compared to a track-intended SM, the 690 is a pig... compared to any other street bike of similar displacement and performance, it's a feather.

    I was looking for an all around usable bike with as light weight as possible, that's what I think of when I think "street tard", not a track bike I could ride on the street. I'm sure there are much better choices for that, i.e. any 450+ MX bike derivative.
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    Default Coming from a SV1000 how will i like a drz sm

    i got rid of my sv1000N to move on to something else. i didnt hate it i just got tired of the same bike. im keep reading about the DRZsm. alot of good and a few bad comments.

    i use my bikes 80% canyon riding 18% commuting. 2% fwy. is the DRZsm the bike for me? also is the power really that bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgar View Post
    i got rid of my sv1000N to move on to something else. i didnt hate it i just got tired of the same bike. im keep reading about the DRZsm. alot of good and a few bad comments.

    i use my bikes 80% canyon riding 18% commuting. 2% fwy. is the DRZsm the bike for me? also is the power really that bad?
    look at the berg fs 570...450 is small for real street riding...you will be revving the piss out of it all day...

    you can find bergs new 570 in a year old model cheap, check ebay, dont be afraid to have it shipped via USHIP...buy the enduro if you can't find the fs sumo and swap the wheels and and a big front rotor and spacer for the caliper to convert it to a sumo...i have seen the bergs for 7000 bucks brand new, list is 9,999.00...i have one and it runs like a mofo...just need to add a pipe and re map the ecu for the competition map...rm

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    maybe i should add that im on a $4000 budget

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    I think it comes down to the person riding it. Coming from the big 1000, this 450 is going to be a let down. it pulls hard all the way up to red line, but it is slow if compaired. if most of your riding is point and squirt kind of canyon, it might be over all faster, but long sweepers and long times at high speeds will leave you wanting more. The thin saddle of the dirt orented machine makes me want for a custom saddle out of someone like mustang or corbin, and riding all day will really chap me up. I personally ride a bit heavyer machine, a 2000 XR650L and have heavily modified it to suite my needs. last weekend i did about 740 near Eureka Springs AK and am not sorry i have the bigger bike. the two suzuki's that were with me were both quicker and turned better. Your choice man, and glad to welcome you to the dark side.

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    i go riding with a bunch of friends most of which ride ktm 990 sumos or adventures...when we come out of a corner and hit the straights they can't pull away from me on my 570 berg til 90mph, here in colombia there are not many long straights so rarely do we get up to 100. there are several companies that will modify a sumo seat and make it wider so you will be comfortable on long rides...rm

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    Is it me or are DRZ owners very defensive?
    I've only ever seen one in action, he was quite quick but I easily passed him on the back wheel on my 660 KTM (best wheelie bike I've ever ridden).
    Cornering and braking wise my Kawasaki Versys would eat it and that's not even a proper supermoto.
    Nobody has ever turned up at any supermoto tracks on one while I was there but there's a guy on youtube getting held up at the back of a supermoto race at Blyton park. An underpowered bike should be an advantage there but the rider just can't seem to make it work.
    From what I've seen and read I would say they are a very good beginners bike or general fun ride. Better than riding a scooter, but a fast rider would find them frustratingly slow.
    Still if I see a cheap one for sale I might buy it just to see what they are like to live with. I dare say I could get it in front of one or two riders on a supermoto grid if I rode the absolute wheels off it.
    It probably is the best supermoto for the street though, you won't lose your license speeding or pulling wheelies. Electric start, suzuki reliability, not too many vibes, good mpg, low tire and chain wear. Easy and cheap servicing, lots of cheap spares.
    Less than £5000 on the road, cheap road tax, cheap insurance.
    It really is the best motard for the street money can buy!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by No1Spank View Post
    Is it me or are DRZ owners very defensive?
    I've only ever seen one in action, he was quite quick but I easily passed him on the back wheel on my 660 KTM (best wheelie bike I've ever ridden).
    Cornering and braking wise my Kawasaki Versys would eat it and that's not even a proper supermoto.
    Nobody has ever turned up at any supermoto tracks on one while I was there but there's a guy on youtube getting held up at the back of a supermoto race at Blyton park. An underpowered bike should be an advantage there but the rider just can't seem to make it work.
    From what I've seen and read I would say they are a very good beginners bike or general fun ride. Better than riding a scooter, but a fast rider would find them frustratingly slow.
    Still if I see a cheap one for sale I might buy it just to see what they are like to live with. I dare say I could get it in front of one or two riders on a supermoto grid if I rode the absolute wheels off it.
    It probably is the best supermoto for the street though, you won't lose your license speeding or pulling wheelies. Electric start, suzuki reliability, not too many vibes, good mpg, low tire and chain wear. Easy and cheap servicing, lots of cheap spares.
    Less than £5000 on the road, cheap road tax, cheap insurance.
    It really is the best motard for the street money can buy!!
    no way dude...i have a berg fs 570 and go riding with all my buddies on their ktm 990s and one of our pals has a suzuki drz he can't keep up with us and it got to the point we got tired of stopping every 20 mins or so for him to catch up....if you are strictly doing in city riding and wont be going over 60 mph much you will be ok, but you will constantly be wishing you have more power. my 570 puts the ktm 640's to shame, and runs right with the 690s, but mine handles better and stops harder, 640/690 weigh about 50 kilos more than my berg...rm

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    Hey Spanky! Got to love that name..

    I will agree with you about the DRZ to a point. Now let me say, up front, I hate Stupidzuki. In all its forms, the new bike after sale warenty is shit! Service is SHIT, and at company level, Stupidzuki America, they are so far under the outhouse, that they are eating dinosaur crap... do i make my point about hating Stupidzuki? Ok. But...

    Gulp.. big bite of crow... The DR S? I think? yes, it might be a bit off top speed, it might be heavy, it might not stay with the much bigger KTMs, Huskys and others of thier ilk, but what they are is GREAT starter bikes than can and will do things that would make GO-PRO proud to air. The men and women that own them have a right to be a bit defencive, thier bikes are under rated, big time. Pound for pound, they give great service, as you said, nearly bullet proof, and they absorb damage and don't cost a pocket full of money to fix when you knock somthing off. The guys i ride with here in DFW ride them, and two men I think of right off the top of my head make them look like they are the cats whiskers in the tight and twistys.

    Now for the fun... will your Versis go off road? bounce off trees and play in the mud puddles? Climb a rock? ok.. it realy isn't a rock.. its more like a bolder, looks like a VW bug from the right angle... but eighter way, no road bike will go off road capably.

    The DR bikes do a lot of things sucessfully, and with minor changes become almost anything the owner wants. you give alittle here, take back a little there. But over all, I dare any non-moto oriented bike to do what a DR will and still come home faithfully, mile after mile after mile...

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    Yeah who cares about the law or fuel costs? Monster wheelies through the box up to 100mph, rolling burn-outs, stoppies and terrorizing other road users is the way forward. Wish I still had the 660. At least the Versys has a clock, a fuel gauge and electric start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No1Spank View Post
    Yeah who cares about the law or fuel costs? Monster wheelies through the box up to 100mph, rolling burn-outs, stoppies and terrorizing other road users is the way forward. Wish I still had the 660. At least the Versys has a clock, a fuel gauge and electric start.
    dayum u got a clock??? my bad, ur bike is da shizit! i never know when it's 420 so i smoke all the time lol

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    Still very confused...

    Want a bike that is...
    Street legal
    Low maint
    4 stroke
    Dealer suport is nearby
    Has a warranty (things break ya know)
    Can handle insterstate speeds with rider being only limitation
    Liquid cooled

    Plenty of power for backing it in, wheelies, stoppies, drifting, also want passenger capability (for my daughter).

    DrzSM looks good but not made anymore and not sure about conversion from drzS to drzSM.

    The crf230m was misrepresented so i am obviously not happy with it. That being said, the dealer wants to make me happy and has offered a trade in value of almost 100% of what I paid so whatever machine is next needs to get run through my dealer. It's confusing I know, but really it's so.

    Fyi... i run 12 minute runs at deals gap on the goldwing at night so whatever sumo ends up in my garage needs to have some azz to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJFireUSA View Post
    Still very confused...

    Want a bike that is...
    Street legal
    Low maint
    4 stroke
    Dealer suport is nearby
    Has a warranty (things break ya know)
    Can handle insterstate speeds with rider being only limitation
    Liquid cooled

    Plenty of power for backing it in, wheelies, stoppies, drifting, also want passenger capability (for my daughter).

    DrzSM looks good but not made anymore and not sure about conversion from drzS to drzSM.

    The crf230m was misrepresented so i am obviously not happy with it. That being said, the dealer wants to make me happy and has offered a trade in value of almost 100% of what I paid so whatever machine is next needs to get run through my dealer. It's confusing I know, but really it's so.

    Fyi... i run 12 minute runs at deals gap on the goldwing at night so whatever sumo ends up in my garage needs to have some azz to it.
    look at the berg fs 570...i luv mine 90 hours running the piss out of it every second im on it...not a hick up so far

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    Closest dealer is 200 miles away though
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    KTM 690 is about the only thing that fits your list.

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    The big KTM or maybe the Husqvarna 630.
    SuperMotos do not do it all. The interstate and the passenger things are weak points, yes, you can go on the big slab and pack a rider too, but it is not a Sumo's forte.
    That is why the Goldwing exists.
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    In my opinion there cant be one best. The needs vary too much on SM bike. Every thing a person is going to use the bike for has to be taken into consideration.
    If I could have a choice of one bike to ride for the rest of my life I would have to pick a watercooled Honda XR650 with 17s and a set of dirt wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpower View Post
    In my opinion there cant be one best. The needs vary too much on SM bike. Every thing a person is going to use the bike for has to be taken into consideration.
    If I could have a choice of one bike to ride for the rest of my life I would have to pick a watercooled Honda XR650 with 17s and a set of dirt wheels.
    why a honda xr650? couldn't find anything heavier.lmao please don't try to pass that thing off as a smr dude

    that would be like putting low profile wheels and tires on an armored car to make it a g machine... real smr's don't weigh more than 110 kg or so...no matter how many smr decals the bike may have on it!

    im having a wide seat made for my berg fs570 now for longer trips, much over two hours in the seat and my ass hurts but im 52 years old...i ride the country roads here in colombia and all my buddies ride ktms, 690's 640's and 990's with a few 640 or 990 adventures tossed in, we ride fast though...what surprised me is when we come out of a tight corner and every one hits the gas only the 990 smrs can stay in front of my berg, i go by everything else, i can hit the brakes a lot later than everyone else too as im the lightest bike in the group, i think the 690 ktm is a much better bike than the honda, kawi, or suzuki 650s and i think it is a bit lighter too, i know it has more hp...but on the track i would hand the 690 it's azz easily as it is about 45 kg heavier than my berg... i have 95 hours on my berg, and i rev the piss out of it and hole shot every traffic light with a first second third wheelie (they don't give moving violation tickets here in colombia...wahoo), i put a bridgestone soft slick on the rear and medium hard on the front after putting about 15 hours on the bike breaking it in, my rear is about shot, checked the valves 3 times might need to change one shim next time i check em, the bike has been flawless other than having the re map it for the akro header and muffler, and i put in a dirt tricks cam chain adjuster to make sure i would have any issues...oh and i did install a 5" rear wheel and 165 rear tire as the 150 was too skinny for my taste, the bike feels more planted with the new rim and tire combo...i change my oil every 10 hours...1.5 liters of mobil 1 and clean my s.s. filter, so far i have really been please with the bike...give the bergs a look, it really is a street friendly race bike. the only draw back is no rear pegs when i take a lil spinner for a ride i just have her slide as forward as possible and share my footpegs... rm

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    Default Dont be a hater!!!

    The KTM 625 SMC barely weighs 75lbs lighter than my '05 KLR650. Give me a plastic gas tank, a pair of CRF450 inverted front forks, and some 17in wheels and tires, and I'll show you too heavy.... My roommate has a 625SMC and I have my killer. I can throw that KLR through anything he can put his KTM through. AND I can go off-road =) I've watched him dump his 4 times on 4 diff surfaces.

    Don't let these haters get you down!

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    While I will say that the KTM SMC's are probably the best Motards out there.

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    Hmm. Ktm, Bergs, Hondas.... Personal choice. I have done a cross kind'a build on my old school XRL. I did not buy the 17s, couldn't afford them actually, but built the bike I wanted arround it just the same. Is it heavy? It is old school tech? YES !!

    But.. always has to be a butt, just cause I am an ass... (oops I said that out loud...)

    It is cheep, comfortable, plush on the long road, will take the big landing after jumping, gets reasonable milage, doesnt break down, carries soft bags, requires about half the maintanance of most of the "race ready" type bikes, insures cheep, and to top it all, has been paid off since 2002.

    Kinda' hard to beat all that....

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    I love love love the XR's. I Really want a 650R.

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    Hey man, I see you're from the DFW area. I used to live in Ft Worth and worked all around DFW. I'm about to move back out there to Kaufman in May, and will be out there for X-mas. I'm desperately trying to haul my bike out there for the visit! =)

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    Please join the DFW thread, in the warmer months we ride regularly and try to get most of the texas branch to gether about 3 or 4 times a year to do group rides. We have done the three sisters, austin like 3 times now, and a couple of us has gone up to AK for some hit and get as well. Hope to see you soon !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    why a honda xr650? couldn't find anything heavier.lmao please don't try to pass that thing off as a smr dude
    Only my opinion. I know the thing is just as heavy as can be. I based my statement on the reliability of a XR motor. I know they can be fast. I know they can ride on for hours on the highway
    If you say Husabergs are very reliable, I can only believe you. You own one.
    Does anyone in Europe make passenger pegs for the Husaberg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    the only draw back is no rear pegs when i take a lil spinner for a ride i just have her slide as forward as possible and share my footpegs... rm
    love it!

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    [QUOTE=ratman;1355939]why a honda xr650? couldn't find anything heavier.lmao please don't try to pass that thing off as a smr dude

    You're right! It was built for 1000 miles of the most grueling terrain on the planet at WOT. Do that with your Berg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    why a honda xr650? couldn't find anything heavier.lmao please don't try to pass that thing off as a smr dude

    You're right! It was built for 1000 miles of the most grueling terrain on the planet at WOT. Do that with your Berg.
    an xr is kinda like an old vw, the engines don't make enough power or spin enough rpms to hurt themselves...on my berg i unlocked the ecu to let the engine spin another 1000 rpms and i mean i couldn't be harder on it. i rev it like it's a two stroker. my ktm 560 wouldn't take the abuse my berg dishes out, last dakar rally a guy ran a berg, ktms do really well there...and honda has bought almost every award/trophy motorcycling has to offer... special engines, the best riders and support crews, logistic support, etc, look at hondas racing history, few honda privateers kicked azz the pro race teams did though... my cousin has an xr650 he put 17's on and modified but he would never try to pass it off as a real smr... as soon as i sell my rc8 (i dont ride it much i so love my sumo) im buying a tm smr...enjoy you xr or what ever yhou ride just don't try to pass an old enduro with 17's off as an smr...rm

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    Not enough HP or RPM to hurt themselves? 10K and 55HP ain't enough?

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    BTW, I am enjoying the debate, I hope you gents are treating it as such. Just a debate, nothing personal... I don't want to create hard feelings over a style of riding that we all love..
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    I looked at all the bikes out there before deciding to build an XRR.
    Coming from a 35 year roadracing backround, I have enough bikes in the stable that require serious maintaining...mostly TZ250's. For me, I'm used to 250-300lb. bikes and find the XR650R to be perfect for my riding style. Cheap to buy, build, and get parts for it. Great engines when tuned right with bulletproof reliability and I can put it anywhere that any other tard can go. I don't want to be wrenching on my streetbikes all the time...we have Ducati for that

    One of my other Hooligan street toys!



    PS: I own a Ducati.

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    One of my other Hooligan street toys!



    Now this is just the shiznit!

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    I love how people are downing the TRUE supermoto style bikes in order to hype up ktm type poser bikes

    If it doesnt have a kick start, weighs over 280lbs and looks to pretty to crash...it aint a supermoto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P View Post

    If it doesnt have a kick start, weighs over 280lbs and looks to pretty to crash...it aint a supermoto.
    And that is that... But I am to old, to fat, and plain to crotchity to stand and kick a durned motor to life. Can you call a starter motor evolution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGB500 View Post
    I looked at all the bikes out there before deciding to build an XRR.
    Coming from a 35 year roadracing backround, I have enough bikes in the stable that require serious maintaining...mostly TZ250's. For me, I'm used to 250-300lb. bikes and find the XR650R to be perfect for my riding style. Cheap to buy, build, and get parts for it. Great engines when tuned right with bulletproof reliability and I can put it anywhere that any other tard can go. I don't want to be wrenching on my streetbikes all the time...we have Ducati for that

    One of my other Hooligan street toys!



    PS: I own a Ducati.
    NOW UR TALKING brah, i had an rg500 i sold it cuz if i dropped it i would never find the oem bodywork to fix it, plus the chassis was really dated "86" i now have a 2000 aprilia rs250 i luv and just to scare the crap out of the young guns on their street fighters i have a 72 h2 triple with 163 hp paul gast motor...a lot of the young guys have never seen a triple run hard so i enjoy enlighten them. lol i would have bought a ducati i think they are so sweet, but there is no ducati dealer in medellin
    i also have an 84 rz 350 bone stock with 1300 miles, an 09 ktm rc8, and my berg fs 570... i do wish the berg had a kicker tho! oh and i have a rare as h3ll 77 suzuki lj50 4x4 jeep with a 539cc three cylinder 2 smoker lol, people really trip out on it when they here a screaming two stroke wfo and i roll buy at 40 mph....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P View Post
    I love how people are downing the TRUE supermoto style bikes in order to hype up ktm type poser bikes

    If it doesnt have a kick start, weighs over 280lbs and looks to pretty to crash...it aint a supermoto.
    the ktm 560 smr was no poser dude, and the berg 570 has zero maintenance issues nor does it have crank problems like the 525 and 560 ktm's the 625 and 640 ktm's are poser smr's no doubt about that tho. but they are "heavy"...i think the finest smr built now is the tm smr's they are beautiful and run like a scalded cat...109 kg just like the berg 570 and the ktm 560...what do you consider the finest smr made today in you infinite wisdow??? mr p

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    NOW UR TALKING brah, i had an rg500 i sold it cuz if i dropped it i would never find the oem bodywork to fix it, plus the chassis was really dated "86" i now have a 2000 aprilia rs250 i luv and just to scare the crap out of the young guns on their street fighters i have a 72 h2 triple with 163 hp paul gast motor...a lot of the young guys have never seen a triple run hard so i enjoy enlighten them. lol i would have bought a ducati i think they are so sweet, but there is no ducati dealer in medellin
    i also have an 84 rz 350 bone stock with 1300 miles, an 09 ktm rc8, and my berg fs 570... i do wish the berg had a kicker tho! oh and i have a rare as h3ll 77 suzuki lj50 4x4 jeep with a 539cc three cylinder 2 smoker lol, people really trip out on it when they here a screaming two stroke wfo and i roll buy at 40 mph....
    And I raise with one of these!

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    Anyone can go out and drop infinite money to buy all these ktm/aprilia, or your sacred huseineaberg

    Those are just low powered street bikes.

    I always thought a supermoto was a dirtbike with 17's inverted forks, and a kick start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P View Post
    Anyone can go out and drop infinite money to buy all these ktm/aprilia, or your sacred huseineaberg

    Those are just low powered street bikes.

    I always thought a supermoto was a dirtbike with 17's inverted forks, and a kick start.
    that's exactly what they started out as mr p, but over time a thing called technology came along and they improved the breed...

    the first two years the hiesenberg fe570 only came as a dirt bike with knobbies...brah

    fyi, i paid 150 bucks for my first bike in 75, a h1500 triple...i pushed it three miles to my local kawi dealer, realized i couldn't afford to pay them to fix it so a bought a repair manual and pushed it three miles home and fixed it, i was 15. then i really dug deep and spent a whopping 280 beans on my first h2 750 triple, did some research, ported it myself, undercut my trans filing the gears by hand and kicked a lot of z1 azz. both were in boxes when i got em. i moved to medellin colombia and there are not a lot of cool older bikes to do up like there are in the states, not that i didn't think about it, and you can't import used stuff here without greasing some palms and taking the chance of losing your bike to customs...

    i've fabricated every set of headers on my performance cars. i just made the expansion chamber for my lj50 jeep, i do the bodywork and paint work on all my own stuff, narrow my own differentials, set up my third members, build my own engines for my cars, bikes, and boats. when my berg gets tired or pukes the engine, its going to be a 622 berg, with more cam and i will bore the throttle body to 44mm...i have the skills and tools to build anything i want, so don't be hating cuz i can afford to buy some newer late model hardware... i've paid my dues...brah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snypercell View Post
    Don't let these haters get you down!
    There are no haters, only people insecure about their choice of bike.

    I picked my bike, a 690SM for much of the same reasons the OP was looking for. Seems like it would be a good bike for him too. I weigh 200 lbs myself and any bike I get on less than 650 begs for mercy.

    "Street tard" doesn't imply a high strung race bike that needs an oil change every other day and a top end rebuild every 20 hours. Some of us would rather ride than wrench. Some of us don't want a bike that's going to explode if ridden on the highway for more than a half hour, or a seat that's about as comfortable as a wood 2x4.

    Quite a few dorks around here rambling on about "real" and "posers". There are no posers on supermotos. We're all a bunch of outcasts from the rest of the motorcycling world and nobody really cares about what kind of supermoto we ride.

    I love how people are downing the TRUE supermoto style bikes in order to hype up ktm type poser bikes
    Now here's a guy who thinks he's special. News flash: he's not.

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    zaph, that is one of the things that is so cool about some of the newer race smr's you can street tard the piss out of them. i don't consider 10 or 12 hours run time for oil changes to much maintenance, it takes a quart and a half of mobil1 and a few sprays of my ss oil filter and i have it down to a 15 min ordeal... as long as you don't stroke your motor your bearings on the newer smr's will go the distance. i was looking at the tm 660 smr cuz it's a real beast 80+ hp but tm recommends crank bearings every 10 race hours im not down with that, but their 530 is like my berg 10 or 12 hours on the oil changes and infrequent valve adjustment checks...it's only a single lol

    btw there is a company that widens seats so you can get a nice wide comfortable seat for an smr racer for the long rides...i did ride nine hours 4.5 sat and 4.5 sun a few months ago...my azz wasn't a happy camper about it

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    For seating woes you might try Mustang saddle, find them on line. They had a pre-made foam and my choice of vinyl shiped to me door in three workign days for about 150. This was a few years ago, but it should be close. For those of you that doubt, they also told me at the time that if you shiped them your seat pan, they could build a custom just for you and your backside.

    As for hours in the saddle, I am sorry, my weekends out start at 20 hours of run time and about 500 miles, depending on how intence the roads are. How the devil am I going to change oil on the side of the road? I need the extended ranges a bike like the XR will run before needing any wrenching at all. Hell, I leave the thing out in the rain now and then and let the mud fall off verses washing. The only time it gets intensionaly washed is when I have to run a creek bed at my favorite off road hole in the world...

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    i have ridden in 9 countries and nowhere i have ridden has more curves than colombia. this is the only place i have ridden where you wear out front tires as quickly as you do rears, a lot of the roads are a constant curve...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    i have ridden in 9 countries and nowhere i have ridden has more curves than colombia. this is the only place i have ridden where you wear out front tires as quickly as you do rears, a lot of the roads are a constant curve...
    I have GOT to get a ticket to this place !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeland View Post
    I have GOT to get a ticket to this place !!!

    Old Dog.
    btw they do not give moving violations or speeding tickets here either. there is one road i know of that has about a 2 mile straigtaway there is a radar trap there. it is the longest section of straight road any of my local buddies know of other than the highway to bogota.lol i was going more the double the speed limit....a ten dollar bribe and i was on my way again in 5 minutes after we talked about my bike for a short. and the ladies are so hot and so fine you need to see them to believe it...medellin rocks dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    dude you need more bike
    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    look at the berg fs 570...
    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    i go riding with a bunch of friends most of which ride ktm 990 ...when we come out of a corner and hit the straights they can't pull away from me on my 570
    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    ...i have a berg fs 570.. one of our pals has a suzuki drz he can't keep up with us and it got to the point we got tired of stopping every 20 mins or so for him to catch up.... and runs right with the 690s, but mine handles better and stops harder
    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    i never know when it's 420 so i smoke all the time lol
    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    look at the berg fs 570...i luv mine
    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    why a honda xr650? lmao please don't try to pass that thing off as a smr dude! when we come out of a tight corner and every one hits the gas only the 990 smrs can stay in front of my berg, on the track i would hand the 690 it's azz easily.. i rev the piss out of it and hole shot every traffic light with a first second third wheelie (they don't give moving violation tickets here in colombia...wahoo),
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    Quote Originally Posted by RGB500 View Post
    an xr is kinda like an old vw, ...on my berg i rev it like it's a two stroker. ... my cousin has an xr650 he put 17's on and modified but he would never try to pass it off as a real smr... ..enjoy you xr or what ever yhou ride just don't try to pass an old enduro with 17's off as an smr...rm
    Quote Originally Posted by ratman View Post
    berg 570 ...what do you consider the finest smr made today in you infinite wisdow??? mr p
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    i was going more the double the speed limit....a ten dollar bribe and i was on my way again in 5 minutes and the ladies are so hot and so fine you need to see them to believe it...medellin rocks dude
    Easy there big fella. So, how do you like that berg570?
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    Easy there big fella. So, how do you like that berg570?
    how do you like your sm510? i would have bought one if could have found a used one here in colombia, and yeah i'm down with my berg but wish it had a few more ponies on top...i will step it up when the engine gets tired...rm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaph View Post
    "Street tard" doesn't imply a high strung race bike that needs an oil change every other day and a top end rebuild every 20 hours.
    Haha, Every other day? The guys on the SXV forums were talking about changing your oil between 150 and 200 miles. This means that if I head out with my buddies for a Sunday ride, I'm looking at an oil change before leaving home, another at lunch time, and a third when I get home, if I plan on riding to work Monday!

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