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    here is a maxxis presa goldspeed 160 on a 4.25. the rim is NOT offset and is the same width as a conti 150!!
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    You think you'll ever get to the edge? It looks a little rounded but not too bad. Its kind of hard to tell.
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    im going to try a maxxis presa 160 om my drz with a 4.25 wheel, i will take pics of it. I got it for super cheep so i have to give it a shot lol
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    Here is a maxxis presa sport, 160/60, mounted on a 4.25 rim. The bike is a xr650r.

    The picture is taken after at trackday, almost impossible to get som wear on the edges... The day after i was riding on a parkinglot. Took som huge leaning-angles to wear on the edges..

    The instructor on the trackday said it looked to wide for a 4.25' rim, balloon-style.

    Too bad they don't make this tire in 150, would buy one immediately. The last great! I have ridden mine 4000km, still more to use. It feels good..




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    I can't get the old picts back up....as we had to make room on the site so I will re take some picts of a 160 on a 5" as well beside it a 4.25"
    just as a reminder from the first few posts...the point is that with too fat a tire on too narrow a rim you lose a very large amount of tire contact....so as a general rule a 160 doesn't work with a 4.25....some brands are different in widths but I talking about most tire companies...
    I have seen 4.5 inch wheel with a narrower brand 160 and it seems to look ok.....although its hard to tell without measuring tire patch and all that...
    the above pict is a perfect example of the amount of tire that isn't in contact becasue of the rim...pretty cool actually to look at...looks to be almost 1/2"
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    Yes, it's about 5-10mm..

    Next tire for me will be a 150 :p

    A BT016 is on the way..
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    do a repost when you have put some time on the 150...I haven't ridden them back to back for so long I forgot how dramatic the differnce...
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    For what it's worth, I can't find specs on a 160/60 Maxxis Presa Sport (that size is not listed on their site, I didn't really try more then that), but a Maxxis SuperMaxx rear in a 160/60 17" is made for a 4.5" rim, like most other 160/60 17's. I have no doubt that it will fit on a 4.25" rim or a 5" rim, but either one will alter the profile one way or the other with a 4.25" rim squeezing the sides in and making the profile a little more round and the 5" rim making the profile a little flatter then it should be. A 4.5" rim is the ideal rim size as listed by the manufacturer in just about every spec sheet I have seen for a 160/60 DOT tire. Race tires (non DOT) are often either/or between a 4.5" rim and a 5" rim with rains often fitting a 4.5" rim better and the wider slicks fitting a 5" better. DOT tires for a 5" rim are usually a 170. I prefer the 4.5" rim with a 160 typically as it has a larger contact patch at extreme lean angles and gives the bike a lighter steering feel. But then I spent most of my time road racing and maybe SuperMoto guys don't lean the bike over as far. If you are not leaning the bike over that far then it is wasted contact patch, as shown in the photos. In the end it comes down to personal preference and style/type of riding. Guys who are about max corner speed and lean angle may prefer the 4.5"/4.25" rim where as others may prefer the feel of a 5" rim.

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    just got my maxxis on my drz 4.25 rim a little rounded but not to bad. clearance wise it looks the same as the 150 conti sm i had on before
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    How much did that tire set you back? Im already tired of my Metzler M3. Way too heavy and takes for ever to warm up.
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    I just got a set for $100 delivered on e-bay. 2006 date code. I would rather run a 150, but I couldn't pass up 4 sets of tires for $400.
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    i just got the rear maxxis it was $50 shipped off ebay lol couldnt pass it up. Rode it to work tonight seems ok so far, going to hit the track sat and see how it does
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    The Maxxis Presa 6159 160/60 is made for a 4.5" rim. Putting it on a 4.25" rim should be fine. A 1/4 of an inch is not that big a deal and it is closer to the right width rim then a 5" rim.
    The Presa 6160 is a 165 and it is made for a 5" rim. I would not mount one of them on a 4.25" rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prerunner32 View Post
    i just got the rear maxxis it was $50 shipped off ebay lol couldnt pass it up. Rode it to work tonight seems ok so far, going to hit the track sat and see how it does
    good tyre for the track, street wise not so good as they'll probably wear out within this and a couple 100 miles.

    think in total I already wore down 7 or 8 of those maxxis slicks and on average they only last me about 600 to 700 miles if you hammer it.

    they grip like nobody's business since the tyre was designed to be used on a supermoto but the carcass is very light and flexible compared to say a pirelli or michelin tyre, which is also the reason why they don't last long.

    you can run them untill the profile in the middle wears out but don't run them any longer than that or there's the chance you'll be pushing your ride home. once the threading wears out there's almost no tyre left.

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    Something to noodle on, ie help please

    Last year was my first season and it was on a bike already set up so I'm learning as I go. It came shoe'd with Michelin tires, specifically (as marked) 16/60R rear which I suspect is a fancy way of saying 160/60.

    Anyway as I started to wear the tire and as the picture of the completely worn out tire shows, the edges are big time shouldered, not only that but not equal on each side. I suspect the wheel is offset to minimize the chain rub?? You can see in the next photo that it looks like new Metzeler (160/60R K2) does not center in the fenderwell, possibly showing the wheel off-set?? Again I'm still an old noob so bear with me.

    Worth mention that I completely wear the crap out of the pegs so I'm getting maximum lean angle. Damn near have to replace the peg sliders each outing!

    The newish Metzeler appears to be wearing edge to edge but I wonder if at some point it's going to shoulder like the Michelin did.

    I'm also a bit unsure of the rim size, it reads BEHR Germany 17XMT4. 5H2. I cant tell if the . after the 4 is a ding mark or a . If i measure it like a cap (through the spokes it's 5") I suspect it's a 4.5" but unsure.

    If I watch the Metzeler and it does wear even edge to edge maybe this 160 is the tire to stick with, or am I going to be better off dropping to a 150 and getting the wheel offset better centered?

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    Sorry, didn't notice you had posted with an issue.
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    Most slicks are made for a 5" or 5.5" rim. Race tire sizes and DOT tire sizes don't usually directly translate and usually race tires are wider. If you look around you may be able to find a rear made for a 4.5" rim as it sounds like that is what you have. Is the pic of the tire with the shoulders on the rim or after it has been removed. I have seen slicks look like that after they've been taken off the rim, but it should not look like that still on the rim. There are other options for a 4.5" rim aside from getting a 5" rim. Maxxis makes race tires for a 4.5" rim. They are hard to get in the states but if you can get them I hear they work well. Or you can do what I would do and call Walt Schaefer @ 256-538-5906 and ask him about your Michelins as he knows them better then anyone else and he is a straight up guy.

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    I have tried multiple combinations of 150 and 160 section rear tires on my 4.25 rim and most didn't work well. I tried the Michelin 160 supermoto and didn't like it (even though most guys in our club run this combo). Grip at extreme lean angles wasn't there and I couldn't get a drive off the corner without spinning the tire. Same deal for the 160 Michelin Power One. The tire was pinched off and the profile was wrong. Strangely, the 160 Michelin Power race 2CT was perfect(for a sport bike tire). Grip was outstanding. I could drag the pegs and get on the gas hard and early without risking a highside. I didn't notice any less grip in the dirt either. I know on paper a supermoto specific rear tire should work best but IMO the 2CT is the only option for my 4.25 rim. I just picked up my new 5.00 rim and can't wait to spoon up a set of fresh Dunlops... now available in B.C. from War Motorsports.

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    why woud anyone run 160series tire on 4.25 rim
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    hey rope....check out the numbers on my wheels If ya want next time we are in the pits.....dunno...looking at the tires its hard to believe you are draggin peg, not doubting you but it must be like flat tracking with that rear end all loose..
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    I am not trying to judge your riding ability but dragging pegs can mean that you are at maximum lean or it can mean your suspension is too soft/sag is too much.
    Different people can get different results with the same tire. What works for me may not work for you and vice versa.
    The shouldering is not that unusual on a used tire that has been removed from the rim. Assuming the pic is of a tire that is not mounted then it is not that weird.

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    Looks fine to me? All my tires wore like that, here is one I went a bit too far with. This is a 165 Michelin slick on a 4.25" rim.


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    I've read this thread and wanna say thanks for all this great info this is awesome sunday morning reading

    I have a question about tires for a WR250X stock size is 110/70 on 3in wide up front and 140/70 on a 4in wide in the rear.

    After the stocks wear out I want to put distanzias on but i'll have to go with 120/70 and 160/60 rear. I can drop the forks to make up for front tire height and i know they will be heavier,i'm not concerned but . . . I am concern about the tire shape on the narrow rim.

    Any advice is much appreciated

    oh and i'll be 75% road 25% dirt/trail in case theres a better tire out there
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    i've acquired a set of dunlop 209's. they are the sportbike race tires, but i'm going to throw them on my DR-Z. 120/70 front and 160/60 rear. The dunlop site says that the 160 is meant for a 4-5" rim, with 4.5" as the actual recommended width. I'll post pics when it's spooned on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbillhatchbac View Post
    I've read this thread and wanna say thanks for all this great info this is awesome sunday morning reading

    I have a question about tires for a WR250X stock size is 110/70 on 3in wide up front and 140/70 on a 4in wide in the rear.

    After the stocks wear out I want to put distanzias on but i'll have to go with 120/70 and 160/60 rear. I can drop the forks to make up for front tire height and i know they will be heavier,i'm not concerned but . . . I am concern about the tire shape on the narrow rim.

    Any advice is much appreciated

    oh and i'll be 75% road 25% dirt/trail in case theres a better tire out there
    The 160 is way too big for a 4" rim, the 150 distanzia will probably be a little pinched, it fits really well on a 4.25in rim. I would recommend the 140, but they don't make it in the soft compound.
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    sorry i meant 150/60 in the rear. would the hard compound 140 be better than the 150? i think i'm still leaning towards the 150 . . unless i can find a similar tread in a different tire.

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    actually worked out! the rear on my DRZ is a 4.5" rim, and thats exactly what the dunlop site recommended for their D209 tire in 160/60. Mounted up, looks great, has plenty of clearance from the chain, and i'll post a ride report tomorrow!
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    What a great post...loads of good info here! So, here is my dilema that I'd like some opinions on....I'm building a rear wheel for my Husky, but I'm not sure what rim to use. It appears there is room for a five inch with a 160 if it's offset a bit. I know by reading all the posts, not everyone is sold on the 160 rear, and I do agree sometimes bigger isn't always better. But I like the idea of a five inch rim for the wide array of tire choices a guy could have. But it would require offsetting the rim to the left a bit. How much can the rim be offset? Is anyone out there running an offset of say, three eights, or even half an inch? I'm considering to use the five inch with maybe even a 155 and split the diff. What do you guys think?

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    Brian, any chance you could repost your original pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by overlandr View Post
    Brian, any chance you could repost your original pics?
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    I'm currently runnin 120/60/17 and 150/60/17 pilots on my kx250f. But after the rear started to blue I got a bit lucky and found some Dunlop kr106 and 108 take offs with very little use and stil pretty oft to the touch. Dates are kinda old thou if reading right. 120/70 front with 950 compound (soft?), and 155/60 (950) both with dates around 1506. Tires have most wear in center cuz dude used on the street until pulled over by popo. Will keep posted on difference in ride when done.
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    Hey this threads good and its helping me with my set up with my soon to be sm , but if I were to shave my tyres should I use a heatgun with what I call a scraper on the end or shall I go for the cold route?

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    I've just fit (used) 160/60-17 Conti Road Attack tyres on my SM610 rear wheel (4.25"). There is no chain bite, tyre doesn't look too "baloony".. ..but this is just temporary till I get new Dunlop Mutant tyres (150/60-17).

    I've heard that Dunlop tyres are actualy wider then other brands.. ..is that true?

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    not true, a 160 Dunny is narrower than an Avon, pirelli , Metz and and other I just can't think of...there is a list somewhere on the site that does a comparo...when I have time I'll search..
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    Good thread.....just spend the last hour reading through the posts to get the info I nneded for tires for my new Husky 510 w/ 4.25 rim. I have a set of Maxxis Presa Goldspeed DOT slicks in 160 size that i'm gonna spoon on. When they wear out, I will start looking for a 150 rear...maybe a Bridgestone BT016?
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    This is my Pilot Power 2ct 160/60 on a 4.25 rim. What should the "profile" and sidewall look like and maybe someone can explain this with some detail and if it has already been explained, sorry just hit me with a link.

    I am getting ready to replace the rear and thinking of the bt016, conti sm, or distanzias and don't know what to get. I have been really happy with this tire but if you guys think something would be better suited please let me know. I only ride street so far and the bike is an xr650r.

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    Just an extra data point:

    I tried a 160 on my 07' 525EXC and it was just too crowded to keep running on my 5" excels. The extra chain slack that is spec'd on the ktms makes for excessive contact, and if you offset more to the right side you end up hitting you exhaust excessively. In the end its just an uphill battle.

    I went back to a 150 and I have plenty of room between sidewall and chain (~4mm) and the bike performs JUST as good as the 160 did. Save yourself the headache and mount up a 150, they kick ass!

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    I have been looking through all the major motorcycle tire MFG's charts for tire and rim compatability and found they all indicate the 160/60-17 is made for a 4.5" rim and can be used with a 4.25" - 5" rims. The reason I was looking is that all the sport-touring tires are 150/70 or 160/60. I'm trying to determine which is best for my rim. It seems that the 150/70 is over an inch larger in diameter than the 150/60, while the 160/60 is only about a half inch larger than the 150/60. Hmmm, what to do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by exit90a View Post
    I have been looking through all the major motorcycle tire MFG's charts for tire and rim compatability and found they all indicate the 160/60-17 is made for a 4.5" rim and can be used with a 4.25" - 5" rims. The reason I was looking is that all the sport-touring tires are 150/70 or 160/60. I'm trying to determine which is best for my rim. It seems that the 150/70 is over an inch larger in diameter than the 150/60, while the 160/60 is only about a half inch larger than the 150/60. Hmmm, what to do?
    I've got a brand new Metzeler M3 160/60 rear that won't fit my setup. I bought it for $130. PM me and I'll let it go for cheap.

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    anyone running pilot powers on a 5 inch rim?
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    Here is a pic test fitting a KTM 5 inch wheel on a DRZ400E model swing arm. The tire is an old tire I had around from my other bike, center is worn i from commuting so it may make the profile look funny. Tire is a 150/60/17 conti SM.

    I think I'm going to be ordering a 160/60/17 for this rim.


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    Hi I'm newbie here (already introducing on new members thread)
    I have KLX 150 my front tire is 120/70 (rim 3,5'') and rear is 160/60 (rim 4.25'')

    my questions is what the standars size of tires which using in AMA supermoto race (front and rear tires with rims size as well)?

    I'm being anxious

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    Hi! do anyone knows what size should i put on my klx400? i use 160/60 but my chain hit the tire and the adjustment on the right was 4, while on the left was 2, to avoid hitting. I plan 150(need offset according to my friend) or 140/60 but to small. Does anyone cares to post how to offset the rims since i wanted to have 150/60. Lastly, available tires to choose are Perelli or bridgtone.

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    I have been running the battleaxe003 3 sets now. Love them sticky as hell, but when the front gets really hot it starts to let go in heavy lean. I put a Q2 up front and WOW that is one badass tire. I bought a 160/60/17 for the back what you think as for chain rub? Anyone else run these tires on a drz400SM? The battleaxe003 is a good back tire but it wears out super fast. And I can't lean over far enough, I'm running on the edge of the tire. Im able to drag knee it just breaks loose on throttle out. If I run the Q2 in the back I would be able to drag knee and still hold corner speed. Being it has more of surface at full lean. I love the 003 it just wont hold under full lean and throttle.
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    Hello,

    I'm currently planning on aqcuiring a Yamaha XT 660 X. And have a question regarding tires.

    The XT-X comes with a 4,25" rear wheel. But as standard comes with a 160 tire. I so far have 2 tire manufactures that i prefer.

    For Summer time i prefer one of these:
    Continental SportAttack
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    these are available in a 150/60 size. So no problem with the 4.25" rim.

    However, for winter time i like to use the Heidenau K73. Which is only available in a 160 rear. And i currently have that on my current bike, with a 4,5" rim and the last bit of thread looks very "steep". And it's hard to get that last part scrubbed. In other words, chicken strips. However, the tire does look a bit narrow for a 160. I like the tire because i commute on my bike, rain or shine. and the occasional snow. So prefer the open thread. Besides that, these tires do ok in light off-road conditions. I coould go with Avon Distanzia SM, or Dunlop Roadsmart Mutant, which come in 150/60 size, but are about 1/3 or more extra in price.

    So the question is:
    Should i just consider buying a 5" rear rim so as to make sure the 160 tires will fit properly.

    Or just keep the 4,25". Use sporty 150 tires for summer time and mount the 160 winter tire and just don't worry about the chicken strips. Seeing it is winter time anyway.

    Reason i mention the chicken strips is because that could mean i don't have the contact patch i could have. In other words, when leaned over, the contact patch isn't as big as it could have been with the 160 tire.

    Best regards,
    Thanas

    B.T.W.
    This might be a helpful post, scroll down to my post:
    http://www.supermotojunkie.com/showt...treet-SM/page6
    Last edited by Thanas; 03-07-2011 at 11:43 AM.

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    go with the 150 rea.....

    ama normally run 17 or 16.5 front and most run a 5 inch rear...some go with a 5.5 inch rear
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    So what's the best rear for a CRF450R... 160 on a 5" rim or 150 on a 4.25" rim?

    What is the deciding factor when choosing between those two combos? Power? Weight? Riding style?
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    go 5 inch rim with a 160....anyone who is serious about track riding has that combo at least....


    I'm still trying to dig up the original picts but there are enough picts on here now to get the idea....

    I will post picts of my 160 dunny on a 5 inch wheel as well the same dunny on a 5.4 marchi... I think I found perfection with tire profile and rim...the best combo for me now is 5.4 and a dunlop 160...when the tire lets go its so predictable..

    anyone have a 4.25 wheel with a Dunny 160 slick I can use with some other picts I want to post ? I don't have any 4.25's left to use in the pict for comparison...
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    Quote Originally Posted by brian View Post
    go 5 inch rim with a 160....anyone who is serious about track riding has that combo at least....
    Any issues with fitting a 5" / 160 combo on a CRF450R?
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    every red 4fiddy at any track I have been has that combo..I would assume they did a spoke offset or spaced the rear sprocket..
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