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  1. #251
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    I'm currently running a Michelin Pilot Road 4 160/60 on my stock 4.25" rim. I needed a dual compound tire for highway commuting.
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    I have a new 2014 ktm enduro r. I bought excel/talon 17 in wheels, 3.5" and 5'in. I got the tires mounted and balanced yesterday and went to install the wheels today. I started with the rear. I pulled the rear wheel off and took the brake rotor off the wheel and transferred it to the SM wheel.

    Here's the problem...

    I went to go install the new wheel on the bike and ran into fitment issues. I originally left the caliper on the bracket and tried sliding the wheel in place, just as I had pulled the old wheel off. The new wheel and tire were too wide and didn't even come close to fitting in-between the caliber and left side of the swingarm. No matter how I tried contorting the wheel or moving the caliper on the bracket, it was just not happening.

    Then I tried removing the caliper from the bracket. I slid the wheel in-between the swingarm just enough so that I could slide the caliper from the inside of the wheel back on to the bracket. When I went to slide it back on, the caliper would not slide back on because the lower part of the caliper was not able to clear the bolts holding on the rotor, or the rotor itself for that matter. I tried rotating the wheel and retrying and that wasn't helping either.

    So for the sake of trying to figure out the problem, I tried removing the rotor from the wheel and sliding the wheel in place. I slid the caliper back on the bracket (without the rotor) and everything fit in-between the swingarm, but it was a little tighter than stock. The chain fit back on and was straight, and the axle fit back in, no problem.
    So I figured I would attempt to reinstall the rotor with the wheel and caliper in place. I had to remove the wheel spacer to get the rotor in-between the wheel and caliper. I slid it through, which was very difficult while holding the wheel in place with my feet, and once the rotor was in place I put 2 bolts fully on finger tight but not torqued down. I slowly rotated the wheel a few inches and saw the bolts holding on the rotor do not even come close to clearing the caliper. The entire bolt head hits the caliper, almost a 1/4in of clearance issue. And yes both the original bolts and the new bolts are the same size it every way. I also noticed the rotor was not on very straight because it was having trouble clearing the caliper.

    I am very confused.
    These wheels and tires are identical to what is used on the KTM 690 smc r (160/60/17). I'm pretty sure both the enduro and the smc use the same swingarm, and even though the smc has larger brakes, I don't see how these wheels are not fitting mine.
    I guess I must be doing something wrong, although I have no idea what it is. The wheels fit in every way...except when the rotor is installed on the wheel.
    F#%@ Friday the 13th!!!!

    I don't understand what is wrong or what I am doing wrong but I could really use some help!

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    Im determined to run the michelin ct2 tires on my 14 500 exc. Ive got a 160 contimotion (dislike the tires) on it now and it clears for days on both sides but it has a 4.25 rim on it...
    Is there a better option in a 150 tire for 90% street use or should i get a 5" rim to satisfy my want of the 160 ct2??
    I know that a 160 will fit on my 4.25 rim but i know its not optimal.

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    Hi, I have a KTM 450EXC 2008 with kit SM behr 4.25. I have buy the new tyre, but this problem is, what tyre enters my bike without touch with chain? I need that tyre is homologated for road(e4), in my certification of bike puts the tyre in 160/60/17, I think in goldspeed e4 or Goldspeed Ultra Street Sport tyre or metzeler m3 or m5, all in 160/60/17, anyone have this tyre in KTM EXC 2008?

    I am desperate !

    Thank you!

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    Anyone tried running a 160 tire -on a 5" rim on a Husky SM630?
    Think they come with a 4.25 but I'm converting a 2011 TE630 to SM and need advice on 17" wheel selection..
    Would like to run this combo since it's a 630 but afraid to be the first..
    Thanx!!
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    Nobody?
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    I see this problem on a ton of the threads. I think Monstrano and Moto X should step in and let us know a fix or if the 5" tires just don't work on War9 wheels. I see Warp9 now offers cush hubs so maybe they fixed this other problem too, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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    I've got a 2010 Husqvarna 510 SMR, comes stock with a 4.25" rear rim and 150/60/17 tire.

    The tire that came on there is a Dunlop D253 SM and I was quite happy with it for the little I rode it (bought the bike used with 1058mi on it, now at 1331mi and its to the wear bars).

    I looked but you cannot get that tire in the USA, even emailed Dunlop USA and they wouldn't help.

    I've been looking for replacements but there's just not that much in the 150/60 size, far more choices and far better/grippier tires in the 160 widths. For 150s I'm stuck with old-tech tires and mostly sport or sport touring style but not track or DOT Race like the Pirelli Diablo SuperCorsa SPs I love to run on my sport bike.

    I assume running a 160 would mushroom the tire too much for my 4.25" rim?
    Intended use is sumo track days and spirited street riding, no commuting, no actual racing, no dirt/off-road.

    I looked at the Conti SMs, but they get widely mixed and sometimes negative reviews.

    The Pirelli Rosso II would fit, and the carcass style is similar to the SuperCorsa so my Pirelli rep says I could run a SP up front and a Rosso in the back, but I prefer to match tires and compounds instead of having varying levels of grip front to rear.

    So, is it better to stick with the 150/60 but be forced to run a less grippy tire, or is it better to run a grippier tire in 160 even though it'll mushroom?
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    If you look at the specs for most 160's, they tend to be made to fit a 4.5" rim. They also fit a 5" rim, with a slightly flatter profile. And they usually fit a 4.25" rim, with a sharper profile. Some 160's are wider than others. Some will fit better on a 4.25" rim than others.
    I have / had no issues running a 160 Michelin on a 4.5" rim, I don't have anything with a 4.25" rim. But I would be surprised if it caused a serious issue. As to what you like and don't like, I don't know.
    I will take the opportunity to point out that the DRZ SM runs a 4.5" rim and a Dunlop 140 on the rim stock (I have run a 160 michelin on there in place of the 140 with zero issues). If nothing else you could run that tire on your 4.25" rim. I am pretty sure a 1/4 inch difference will make no difference. But that is a narrower tire than most 150's and 160's. Going with a narrower tire does reduce the likelihood of running into clearance problems, going with a wider tire may result in clearance issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuzziMoto View Post
    If you look at the specs for most 160's, they tend to be made to fit a 4.5" rim. They also fit a 5" rim, with a slightly flatter profile. And they usually fit a 4.25" rim, with a sharper profile. Some 160's are wider than others. Some will fit better on a 4.25" rim than others.
    I have / had no issues running a 160 Michelin on a 4.5" rim, I don't have anything with a 4.25" rim. But I would be surprised if it caused a serious issue. As to what you like and don't like, I don't know.
    I will take the opportunity to point out that the DRZ SM runs a 4.5" rim and a Dunlop 140 on the rim stock (I have run a 160 michelin on there in place of the 140 with zero issues). If nothing else you could run that tire on your 4.25" rim. I am pretty sure a 1/4 inch difference will make no difference. But that is a narrower tire than most 150's and 160's. Going with a narrower tire does reduce the likelihood of running into clearance problems, going with a wider tire may result in clearance issues.
    Right on. This is what Jared @ Woody's recommended to me when I inquired about a supermoto wheel setup. They weren't reluctant to sell a 5" rim, they just advised that 4.25" would minimize clearance issues while providing better turning capabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey Jay View Post
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    I have a 500 exc 2014 with a 5 inch rear and 160 tire. It does take some experimenting to fit the tire but it will fit just fine. The trick, start high up in the wheel well. you will have to tilt the tire radically to the right (when viewed from behind). Take the time to zip tie some shop rags to the wheel sides to keep the caliper from scratching the hell out of the rim.

    Fitting is a breeze compared to not getting the chain to rub the tire. On a 5 inch wheel dishing is not noticeable, at least at 100 mph. Non o-rings buy you very little in terms of clearance. the one huge variable is oem tire width for DOT tires. I thought somewhere there was an actual measurement for DOT tires but I cannot find it to save my ass. My Conti SM 160 will rub the chain lightly.

    I hope this helps a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zap427 View Post
    I thought somewhere there was an actual measurement for DOT tires but I cannot find it to save my ass.
    Here you go.

    http://supermotojunkie.com/showthrea...and-Race-Slick

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapplebrah View Post
    When I was digging into this subject it seems like there were tons of conflicting opinions on what was narrow vs wide on the same size rim. What is not specified is rim type and I wonder if this adds to the variance? My advice, take what you read with a grain of salt and when you do talk tires and rubbing get the guys exact setup if he says "mine has never rubbed 160 / 5 inch rim that is).

    Good luck

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    I have in my 2010 Husqvarna SM510R 5-ich rear rims, whit 160/60-17 conti attack sm tyre..It fits, little chain slap, to me that is little to high profil tyre, too "round" width
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    Quote Originally Posted by HUSKY530RR View Post
    I have in my 2010 Husqvarna SM510R 5-ich rear rims, whit 160/60-17 conti attack sm tyre..It fits, little chain slap, to me that is little to high profil tyre, too "round" width
    Husky,

    I agree the Conti SM is wide in a weird way. The thread and the sidewall come to a "point" I am not sure why that is, I guess it does give a bit more surface area. It is funny to me because I went with the Conti because I had read on SuperMotoJunkie it was one of the narrowest

    To be fair, maybe at the time of the post it was the narrowest. I am beginning to believe it is somewhat the luck of the draw. Sure, there are probably big FAT 160's you should stay away from, but there is a whole bunch of contradiction on what works and what does not. These threads, I really should not comment on. I have tried one tire and rim combo (Excel 5in) so not exactly a wealth of knowledge here. I need to search for the guys that race or have been riding SM way longer than I and get qualified opinions. I also tried to get one of the chain guides made by the fellow in the UK. Apparently, he is not doing them anymore, as I never heard back from him.

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    I have been reading this thread and I have to admit I am totally new to supermoto world. That being said I jumped in with both feet and just bought a KTM EXC 500. From what I have read running a 5" rim and a 160/60 on the street really has no advantage. I don't think I actually saw an answer to the 5" rim with a 150/60 combo being good or bad for the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z1kman View Post
    I have been reading this thread and I have to admit I am totally new to supermoto world. That being said I jumped in with both feet and just bought a KTM EXC 500. From what I have read running a 5" rim and a 160/60 on the street really has no advantage. I don't think I actually saw an answer to the 5" rim with a 150/60 combo being good or bad for the streets.
    If you can put a 180 on the rear it will not give you any more traction, period. Traction/friction is a byproduct of pressure, period. Tire selection is key. You need to determine what you need the tire to do. Carve up canyons, commute, a little trail adventuring, track days, a little of everything? Choose the appropriate tire for your intended usage, and see what sizes are available then choose the rim size. Just remember a super sport soft is a supermoto medium.

    And the usual disclaimer, before you want to argue traction/friction google it. DaVinci, Amontons, Euler, Newton, Einstein and a plethora of others all can't be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z1kman View Post
    I have been reading this thread and I have to admit I am totally new to supermoto world. That being said I jumped in with both feet and just bought a KTM EXC 500. From what I have read running a 5" rim and a 160/60 on the street really has no advantage. I don't think I actually saw an answer to the 5" rim with a 150/60 combo being good or bad for the streets.
    Many here much more qualified than me to answer your question. I was in your situation and ended up going 5 in with the 160 rear. That was after pouring over threads and reading until blood shot out of my eyes. Like the previous post, what is your intent with the bike? I think my opinion was influenced by the race community and what is considered ideal. Hell some of those guys run 5.5 in rear wheels. At the end of the day it always boils down to the rider, doesn't it? One thing I do know, fitting the 5 inch 160 rear is a bit of a trick in terms of not having the chain rub the tire.

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    For the most part I will just be doing light commutes and hauling it out to the twisties when I can. I have several friends that do a limited number of track days and may try one but I am really to old to be thinking about being a racer.
    I really am curious about a 5" rim combo and a 150/60 profile and if there are issues with running it such as the fitment and if it has ill handling effects?

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    Quote Originally Posted by z1kman View Post
    For the most part I will just be doing light commutes and hauling it out to the twisties when I can. I have several friends that do a limited number of track days and may try one but I am really to old to be thinking about being a racer.
    I really am curious about a 5" rim combo and a 150/60 profile and if there are issues with running it such as the fitment and if it has ill handling effects?
    From what I remember, the main reason for the 5in is to run the 160 tire. If you are running a 150, gosh, I bet you would be fine with the 4.25. I don't want to mislead you as there are much more knowledgable guy and gals on here then me. Another great site is KTM talk if you have not already found it. By the way, old guy here as well. Us old guys have to stick together

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    I wasn't sure if using a 5" rim witg the 150/60 had a negative effect in the cornering. I figured it would solve the fitment issue but maybe not.
    Thanks for letting me know about KTM talk, more info is always good.
    Yeah we may be older but our toys are much better ;-)

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    50+ here. Our toys are typically not better but we have more of them, >>>>>typically<<<<<. Some of the things I've owned or still own are the things that 20 somethings tell stories about, "My (insert relatives/friends name) used to have a (insert toy) that would do(insert tall tale) etc." All the things we should've kept. Well I still have my '69 charger that I paid $600 for back in the day, other things yeah I still regret.

    Back on topic. I've seen it all. Done some of it too. The biggest argument for a 5 is tire selection. My last tires, Avon Distanzias, in supermoto compound show a fitment for the 160 rim to be 4.25-5.00. In my superbike era I grew up as tire sizes were getting wider and front tire diameters were getting sorted by the manufacturers. 110 then 120,130,140,150,160,170,180, the buyers demanded wider and wider. Front wheel diameters, 18,17,16 then settled in on 17. At the end of the day, a 5 looks the most awesome, performance wise a 4.5 with either a 150 or 160 or a 5 with a 150 or 160 would all be a toss up and be more effected by tire manufacturer than sizing.

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    Well I just didn't want go wrong on the wheel set up so I figured I would ask those who know. I'm thinking the 150/60 might be a bit thin for the 5" rim. I just didn't want to make it tough on myself when I install my wheels.

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